Training for Short Sales & Mortgage Loss Mitigation to Stop Foreclosure

Short Sales With Multiple Loans and Liens

March 15, 2009 by  
Filed under Short Sale How To

multiple-70Some short sale sellers will make your life extremely “interesting” with their talent for putting on multiple mortgages and collecting liens. You get to negotiate them all, because if any one will not sign off, the short sale does not close. As the picture shows, you have to get every lender to jump into the deal.

This is why some Realtors will not take short sales with too many mortgages and liens. Some short sales do not close, and ones with multiple liens are the hardest to close. Once you have done some short sales, you will understand why. Refer the short sales you do not want to another Realtor who is willing to deal with the mess. A separate post discusses the priority of liens and their effect on how much to offer each lien holder in Lien Priority Determines Who Gets Paid & How Much

The first issue is how do you negotiate with all the liens. Some of the people providing Realtor training say to negotiate with the last one first . In other words, if you have a first loan and a second loan, find out what the second loan will settle for first, then negotiate with the first loan. There may be some merit to that, because you know what you have left to offer the first loan as a short pay.

I do short sales differently because I negotiate all of the debts at once. The reason is that there is not a linear relationship between them. In other words, the results of each negotiation is interdependent on the results of all the other negotiations, so you need all the answers all the time. If the property is in foreclosure, you do not have enough time to submit the package to the second lender, wait for their review and approval, then submit it to the first lender. I had a property in foreclosure in Palos Verdes, California with a first and second loan with Washington Mutual and a third with CitiBank. Citibank gave us an approval on the third loan one day before the deadline set for the foreclosure on the first loan. If I had waited to get that short pay approval first, then submitted to the other lenders, the sale would not have gone through.

To understand the interdependence, some lenders on a short sale home have guidelines for how much they will let a junior lienholder be paid. I am working on a short sale in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calfironia where the first loan is with Countrywide and the second loan, a line of credit, is with Bank of America. The seller cannot pay the mortgage. Countrywide will not allow the second lender to be paid more than $3,000 on the closing statement (HUD-1). Bank of America will not settle for less than $5,200, because they have a rule that they will not take a short sale that does not pay them at least 10% of the outstanding balance of the loan. The entertaining part of this standoff is that Bank of America is merging with Countrywide, so it is like a one member of a couple saying you have to put all the money in my right pocket, then the other member of the couple saying no don’t do that, put money in my left pocket.

How do you break this standoff? You have to know what is allowed under your local rules, the disclosure rules for lenders and the National Association of Realtors code of ethics. In California, the commission is paid by separate commission instructions to the escrow officer that are not part of the escrow instructions signed by the parties. You can consider having one of the Realtors send the amount of the difference to the junior lender. You can also have the buyer buy something from the junior lender that happens to equal the amount of the difference. You cannot do anything that is beyond the rules for proper presentation of information to a lender i.e. do not lie to a lender. See the post Don?t Put Your Client In Jail for more discussion, and substitute Yourself for Your Client.

If you watch a good chef, you will be amazed at how many things can be prepared at once with all of them finishing at the same moment. When you get good at short sales, you can handle many liens at once and get them to a closing at the same time, and be able to avoid foreclosure at the same time.

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8 Responses to “Short Sales With Multiple Loans and Liens”
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  5. Nick says:

    Would it be terribly unconventional – and or offensive – to ask the seller to place $5000 in escrow to use in negotiating multiple leins? i.e. 1st mortgage, 2nd mortgage, Home equity line of credit, 3 years of unpaid HOA fees?

    Would this type of counter offer surely get rejected? Has anyone ever heard of doing anything like this?

    • Tim Burrell says:

      If the seller had $5,000 it might not be a bad idea. Many of my sellers are completely tapped out, so it would not be possible. If you can get the seller to contribute, it helps the negotiating because the lenders like to see something from the seller. It particularly helps with back HOA dues because some lenders will disapprove putting those charges on the HUD closing statement, so they have to be paid by someone else. My most frequent solution to that is to have the buyer take the property with unpaid HOA dues and let the buyer settle with the HOA after closing. Of course, some buyers will not do that, so you need a plan B.

  6. Breezy says:

    I Need an example letter to send to my lien holders. I am requesting a payoff and /or reduction.

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